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La dernière fois que j’ai parlé des sans-abris, le débat a été plutôt houleux…Les Britanniques ont une attitude beaucoup plus pacifiée sur la question des SDF : si certains choisissent de dormir dehors, personne ne peut les en empêcher. Cependant, donner de l’argent aux homeless les encourage à rester dans la rue. S’il est plus facile de mendier que de travailler, les sans-abris ne vont pas chercher à s’en sortir…Le district de Westminster (centre de Londres) va encore plus loin, avec sa campagne « Killing with kindness » :
_plus de 70% des mendiants sont aussi des consommateurs de drogues dures (héroïne et crack) _60% des mendiants arrêtés dans le district disposent d’une adresse fixe, et ne sont donc pas des « rough sleepers ». _les vrais SDF peuvent bénéficier d’une aide au logement (Housing Benefit) quand ils emménagent dans un centre d’hébergement. Conclusion : Faire l’aumône tue. Mieux vaut donner aux associations caritatives (Charities), dont la fonction est de trouver des solutions de long terme. Personnellement, je trouve que cette campagne va à l’encontre de beaucoup de préjugés. Non, les Anglais ne laissent pas crever leurs pauvres dans la rue. Simplement, la mendicité leur semble dégradant : tout doit être fait pour aider la personne à s’en sortir. Et seule les charities sont suffisamment proches du terrain pour fournir des solutions viables. L’attitude des Français, ça serait plutôt : « ah mince, il y a un SDF en bas de chez moi. Mais que fait l’Etat ? »
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Chprouts
(28.5.06 22:40)
Tout cela ne m'etonne pas: Les anglais sont de veritables marxistes (n'en deplaise aux pseudo-gauchistes francais...), ils ne font absolument pas confiance a l'etat pour regler ce genre de problemes.
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frib
(29.5.06 00:35)
Bonjour,
Les propos de Wrath ont non seulement le mérite du bon sens, mais aussi celui d'employer un vocabulaire adéquat. Elle écrit le mot "mendiant", et elle a raison. Les termes "SDF" ou "sans-abri" sont trompeurs, tout comme celui de "sans-papiers", puisque c'est "clandestin" qui est le bon terme. Notre époque est tellement peureuse qu'elle en vient à ne plus oser dire la réalité telle qu'elle est.
Bien à vous,
Frib
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julie
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(29.5.06 09:01)
Tes propos sont réalistes et les solutions très judicieuses. Je ne pense cependant pas qu'en France on dise "mais que fait l'Etat" je pense surtout qu'on en a ras le bol de donner toute l'année (Resto du coeur, Téléthon, Sidaction, ...) et de voir que meme en donnant rien ne change. Moi personnellement je ne donne plus car, à plusieurs reprises en pensant faire plaisir en offrant mon pain au chocolat à un enfant sur les genoux d'une maman mendiant, ou en offrant un repas à un sans abris je me suis fait jeter comme une malpropre car ce n'était pas de l'argent...Et quand j'ai finalement donné dans le métro, le "sans papier" m'a insulté car ce n'était qu'1 euros...Donc maintenant je donne pas. Beaucoup sont des gens qui ne veulent pas d'aide alors à quoi bon?
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Héloïse
(29.5.06 16:43)
Le "mendiant" qui dort en bas de chez moi, il est issue d'une famille riche, il est à la rue car il est schizo et personne ne veut s'occuper de lui!
Quand on lui donne de l'argent, il s'énerve. Par contre la Croix-Rouge est souvent là pour voir si ça va... et les flics aussi.
Pour rebondir sur ce qu'a écrit julie, c'est vrai que les mendiants ne veulent que de l'argent. Mais il y a quelques mois, je mangeais en marchant, un SDF faisait les poubelles, je lui ai donné mon dessert et là je n'ai jamais eu autant de remerciements! C'est égoïste car ça a embelli ma journée... alors que lui...
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gadrel
(30.5.06 00:02)
"Mieux vaut donner aux associations caritatives (Charities), dont la fonction est de trouver des solutions de long terme."
Si les charities ont le grand avantage de ne pas être (trop) subsidiées par l'état, il n'y a pour moi aucune différence entre ce discours et le discours étatiste de base. Tous deux récusent l'action individuelle, d'individu (donneur) à individu (clochard), sous le prétexte fallacieux qu'elle serait "à court terme" et inappropriée. Or, pas plus qu'il n'y a de raisons de penser que les fonctionnaires sont des êtres surnaturels, il n'y a de raisons de penser que les charities valent mieux que les individus.
Enfin, il me semble que warth, toute à l'immense joie de vivre dans un environnement moins étatisé que la France, en oublie que le RU n'est pas un pays où règne la liberté et où l'individu prime sur l'état.
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wrath666
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(30.5.06 01:30)
@Chprouts: Exact, pour Marx, l'Etat est l'instrument de la bourgeoisie. Les Anglais sont donc marxistes (enfin, more or less...)
@Frib: je n'avais même pas réalisé que le mot "mendiant" était politiquement incorrect...
@Julie: franchement, je ne peux pas t'en vouloir de ne plus donner...C'est du simple bon sens. Cela dit, certaines charities londoniennes font du bon boulot: Crisis, Big Issue...En France, j'ai plus de doutes
@Héloîse: bah, c'est gentil de ta part d'avoir donné ton dessert, mais franchement, je doute que ça soit une solution à long terme que de faire l'aumône...
@Gadrel: exact, mais je ne suis sûrement pas une individualiste primaire...Parfois, les individus ne peuvent pas s'en sortir tout seuls, mieux vaut l'intervention d'une structure (charities ou Etat). Le problème de la structure étatique française, c'est qu'elle est inefficace. D'où la solution des charities...
Sur la Grande-Bretagne, ça fait plus de 2 ans que je vis ici à "temps plein", et je n'ai encore fait aucune démarche administrative. Je n'ai pas à me plaindre de l'Etat britannique...
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gadrel
(30.5.06 11:12)
Un individualiste primaire... c'est quoi ? Un koulak qui a un cheval osseux et une cabane en bois ?
Toutes les structures étatiques, en plus d'être illégitimes (puisqu'elles reposent sur le vol), sont inefficaces par essence, étant libérées de toute confrontation à la concurrence.
Enfin, tu n'as peut-être pas encore à te plaindre de l'état anglais, mais peut-être ne t'es-tu pas encore faite arrêter pour des présomptions d'activités terroristes (emprisonnement ad infinitum sans obligation de te faire passer devant un juge - dire que ce fut au Royaume-Uni que l'habeas corpus naquit !), peut-être n'as-tu pas encore remarqué que ton droit à te déplacer anonymement est largement bafoué par l'omniprésence des vidéos, etc.
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Xpp
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(30.5.06 15:40)
"emprisonnement ad infinitum sans obligation de te faire passer devant un juge"
Verifie tes sources, quand meme! La garde a vue pour suspicion d'activite terroriste est de 2 semaines et doit etre signee par un juge. Le seul element inquietant (et certes, c'en est un!) c'est que les avocats de la defence n'ont pas acces aux elements du dossier pendant cette periode.
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obcbitptb
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(31.5.06 09:05)
propos nauseabonds. Et frib lui aussi, on ne dit pas sans papier mais clandestins, quand ça fait dix ans que t'es clandestin tu es sans papier (frib pas de s à papier, vu qu'il n'y en a pas), il y a une nuance que dans ta lourdeur pachidermique, tu ne peux pas saisir, allez les fachos tous en Angleterre.
Quant à toi wrath666 "si certains choisissent de dormir dehors........", ça me fait penser aux personnes qui veulent reformer la sécurité sociale en ayant pour seul argument qu'il y'en a certains qui fraudent, c'est d'un manque de discernement, ça fait pitié. Et wrath t'en as pas des comme ça pour les noirs, les arabes, les pd, les juifs, les communistes, les tziganes et les francs maçons.
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gadrel
(31.5.06 14:23)
Xpp : la Chambre des Lords a jugé le 20/12/2004 que le gouvernement britannique s'était mis en infraction par rapport à la Convention européenne des droits de l'Homme (CEDH) *en détenant pour une durée illimitée et sans procès* 9 "suspects de terrorisme international".
Depuis, le gouvernement totalitaire de Tony Blair a modifié la loi, mais selon Amnesty sans en changer le fond : il est toujours possible de détenir à perpétuité un non-Anlais SOUPCONNÉ d'être un terroriste.
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manon
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(31.5.06 20:41)
Si donner directement dans la rue ne mène pas bien loin, je suis aussi suspicieuse à l'égard des associations en tout genre, qui ont pour la plupart, une gestion et une administration aussi opaque que l'URSS dans ces plus belles heures. Et même si bien gérées, il y a toujours un certain paternalisme un "on sait mieux que vous". Mais comme j'ai pas mieux à proposer
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(21.6.06 12:41)
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Contester le principe séculaire de la charité, pour le tourner en dérision, en oubliant le reste, c'est dingue. Of all problems. C'est dingue. Le mec qui refuse à un mendiant, en se persuadant que ce faisant, il l'aide, est DINGUE.
S'attaquer à ça, of all problems, c'est dingue. Les clandestins, ils t'emmerdent, machin, OK ? Ils sont chez eux ici.
C'est pas toi qui sait ce qui est bon pour moi.
Chaque homme a le droit de vivre, partout, où il veut, tiens je viens de comprendre. Useless cunts.
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